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Mounjaro Weekly Rant: Big Pharma, Little Pharma, No Pharma

Posted on September 30, 2024 Written by The Nittany Turkey 1 Comment

Mounjaro

This is my weekly Mounjaro update, which chronicles my progress with the current vogue GLP-1/GIP-1 drug. Writing is therapeutic for me, and if it provides a modicum of useful information to my readers, I’m happy.

First, I want to comment on a hot topic. An Internet rumor is circulating about the possible end of compounded tirzepatide, the generic version of Mounjaro and Zepbound. After I blow enough wind about that rumor and its implications, I’ll get to my numbers. This will be a shorter overall rant than last week’s because we both deserve a break.

In Reddit We Trust

The hot, rapidly spreading Reddit rumor is that the USFDA is preparing to remove Mounjaro and Zepbound from the shortage list in October. This is causing great distress among those who rely on compounding pharmacies for a cheaper alternative than the branded drugs. The basis for the rumor is an FDA response to a citizen’s query, in which that regulatory organization unwittingly dropped a hint about the shortage’s end. The upshot is that if the FDA says, “no shortage”, compounding pharmacies will not be permitted to sell tirzepatide.

No doubt, Eli Lilly & Company, the manufacturer of Mounjaro and Zepbound (both of which are brand names for tirzepatide), will push the FDA to move their case along. Of course, aggrieved parties, namely, the compounding pharmacies, will file lawsuits. Likely, Eli Lilly, a huge multinational corporation with deep pockets and massive lobbying influence, will prevail. Once the ball starts rolling, it is just a matter of time before the compounders are unable to sell tirzepatide. The headline will read, “Big Pharma to Little Pharma: Drop Dead!“

Compound Fractures

Two types of compounders, designated by their legal classification 503a and 503b, are affected. Right now, both sell uncompounded, generic tirzepatide, but after the drug comes off the shortage list, neither can legally do that.

In the case of 503a pharmacies, the good old-fashioned compounders, they still can accept legitimate prescriptions for compounded tirzepatide. Here, compounding means that the drug is mixed with Vitamin B12, for example, due to prescribed requirements for specific patients. However, they will need to stop selling uncompounded tirzepatide immediately.

A Hard Pill to Swallow

The 503b pharmacies, the ones that sell plain old tirzepatide, are typically mail-order pill mills. Some of them sprang up to sell boner pills after Pfizer created a market for them after the seminal introduction of Viagra (pun intended) and the fun drug subsequently went off patent. The FDA will allow a grace period during which 503b pharmacies can fulfill existing orders. I’m hearing that this can be for up to sixty days.

Presently, we are dealing with more speculation than fact. However, the shortage resolution will happen eventually if not in October, at which time the FDA will impose the restrictions. Certainly, Eli Lilly will push to hasten that outcome. It is their drug, they brought it to market at considerable expense for R&D, patentng, advertising, and production, so they want to protect what is theirs.

The parasitic compounders will suffer, as will those who opted to take the risk of using them. Ignorance of the enabling situation, namely, the necessarily temporary shortages of Mounjaro, Zepbound, Ozempic, and Wegovy, exacerbated by the marketing efforts of the compounders and their telehealth partners, lulled these patients into a false sense of security. What to do when the compounding channel goes away?

Will Widespread Panic Prevail?

I suspect that tirzepatide addicts using the compounded products will panic due to Internet-fed rumors about the supply shutdown. Some will exhort their doctors to prescribe compounded versions for which they might not have a specific need. However, Lilly has been getting nosy about such contrived scripts and I could see them using the courts to pressure doctors with the threat of losing their licenses.

Other tirzepatide junkies might order huge quantities of the precious drug. Either they will feed their own habits or, when the dawn of profitability realization breaks on their thick skulls, they might enter the resale market, which, of course, is illegal as hell.

Any way you slice it, there will be chaos in the tirzepatide market!

The Danger of Questionable Sources

Another big issue with people buying large quantities of these drugs from questionable suppliers is their unknown shelf-life. What is the danger of things going wrong as they age? Many are reconstituted, and who knows what the labs are using as preservatives?

Unlike with Lilly, the FDA does not exert tight quality control over these compounded products. From some compounding pharmacies, tirzepatide might be perfectly safe, but from others, patients might be taking their life in their hands, injecting tainted substances into their bodies. Remember the case of New England Compounding Pharmacy and the one hundred deaths associated with one of their injectable compounded products? The principals were jailed ex post facto, but too little, too late. People died.

How About Third-World Tirzepatide?

Another possibility is that desperate weight-loss addicts will seek out foreign sources for their substances. I saw an Australian Broadcasting Company programme about a compounding pill mill Down Under that was illegally selling semaglutide (sister drug to tirzepatide) into the U.S. They interviewed some of the Americans who were bilked by the pill mill. They told horror stories about the unusable products they received.

So, I can foresee all kinds of problems arising in the future stemming from people’s outsize desire to lose weight. They’ll flail around blaming Eli Lilly for being greedy, but they’ll either be dealing with Lilly’s prices or with their black-market suppliers.

While the long-term outlook for the pill mills might be uncertain, I bet they will experience a significant bump in sales in the short term. Addicts will be addicts, and addicts must get their fix.

The big question in my mind is: How stupid will desperate people be regarding where and how they get their drugs?

My Progress on Mounjaro

Now, let’s move on to my progress on Mounjaro.

My glucose average for the week, as reported by my Dexcom Stelo, was 107 mg/dL. This is an improvement, and it equates to an A1c of 5.4. We’re homing in on my target of 5.2! My weight increased 1.6 pounds since last Monday, which is no cause for concern in the aftermath of my rapid, COVID-influenced weight loss (ten pounds in a week).

Blood pressure has been an issue since the COVID episode. Back on the 100 mg dose of Losartan, my average was 135/80. Before my vacation, I had been averaging 119/70 after reducing the Losartan to 50 mg. I believe my blood pressure will improve when I can resume a decent exercise regimen, which I suspended due to COVID and back/hip issues. Along those lines, before I close this week’s all-about-me Mounjaro progress journal, I’ll take a side-trip to da hip.

Back and Hip Issues, You Say?

During my vacation, I tweaked my back, and wound up with sciatica-like symptoms, which continue now, close to a month later. My doctor, who opts for conservative treatments first, told me to try Alleve for two weeks. I did, and it didn’t help. I still have thigh pain and numbness. So, I have put in a request for him to order an MRI so we can see what is going on in there. Without the diagnostic imagery, I am flying blind. I have no idea whether I am dealing with a disc issue, a nerve issue, or a hip degeneration issue. I had my left hip replaced in 2001; now, could the right hip be shot, too?

With hopes of confirming that or eliminating it as a possibility, I attempted to make an appointment with Dr. Kahuna, my knee guy, who is also a hip replacement surgeon. In fact, he trained under the surgeon who replaced my left hip. However, without imaging to support the notion that a hip replacement might be necessary, the policy of the orthopedic clinic is to use a physician extender to evaluate the condition before bothering the big kahuna with a case that might not require his expert surgical intervention. So, I made an appointment with an unknown physician assistant named Laura.

Aesthetically Speaking

I did some background checking on Laura. Turns out that she either runs or ran an “aesthetic” clinic. You know what that is? Botox and lip inflation for rich matrons. Her reviews for that clinic were terrific, but what in the bloody hell does vaginal reconstruction have to do with evaluating my hip? This revelation further underscored the need for me to get the damn MRI. While I originally thought it might be fun to have the conversation with Laura to get her story, who the hell has the time for such entertainment?

If the MRI says I need a hip replacement, I can skip the extender evaluation and go straight to Dr. Kahuna. Once I receive the order from Dr. DeLorean, I’ll cancel the vaginal rejuvenation evaluation. If the MRI results point elsewhere, I’ll deal with that. Flying blind sucks!

Wrapping It Up and Putting a Bow on It.

That’s it for this week. In the coming weeks, we’ll no doubt learn more about the travails of the Little Pharma vs. Big Pharma. And I hope to be back next week with some new tidbits associated with my Mounjaro therapy and my general state of being.

Until then…

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Mounjaro Weekly Rant

Posted on August 5, 2024 Written by The Nittany Turkey

Mounjaro

Nittany Turkey back atcha with another week of reporting Mounjaro progress, served alongside a 15 mg dose of opinionated diatribe. You know what they say about opinions? Well, I’ve gotta have one, and this is my platform for sharing it.

This is NOT a commercialized platform in any way, shape, or form. I don’t display ads or get click-through revenue. If I recommend products I use, it is because I use them and like them. Similarly, I do not offer medical advice, just a recap of my own experiences with Mounjaro for the treatment of Type 2 Diabetes.

I also write about Zepbound and compounded tirzepatide, which are all the same drug as Mounjaro. They are merely packaged differently. Mounjaro and Zepbound, both products of Eli Lilly & Co., are branded versions of tirzepatide. Mounjaro is approved for Type 2 Diabetes, while Zepbound is approved for weight loss. I have written lots about the social media influenced pop culture surrounding these drugs, fueled by direct-to-consumer advertising by big pharma and our societal penchant for hopping blindly onto the latest fad in can’t-fail weight loss treatments.

Today, I’ll recap my progress on Mounjaro therapy, which is neither a “journey” nor an “adventure”, I’ll introduce the concept of an exit strategy, and then I’ll serve up another editorial.

My Progress on Mounjaro

Having taken Mounjaro at the 2.5 mg loading dose for nine weeks, my progress stalled in both glucose and weight. Typically, you start on 2.5 and move up to 5 mg after the first four weeks. I, being an old fart who is wary about dangerous side-effects because of my long laundry list of comorbidities, stuck with the 2.5 dose for twice the typical time. While my numbers tell a subtle story of stalled progress, one thing stuck out like a sore thumb. The appetite suppression associated with Mounjaro evaporated.

Last Sunday night, Jenny and I went out to dinner for our anniversary. My unsuppressed appetite wanted everything on the menu, but I settled on a Caesar Salad, 14-ounce ribeye, asparagus drizzled with a balsamic reduction, and whatever the hell “smashed potatoes” are. I cleaned my plate like my mother always told me I should, which is why I got so fat in the first place. Thinking back to my first week on Mounjaro, I could not finish restaurant meals. So, I felt that this, coupled with the numbers, signaled time to up the dose.

My doctor agreed and I am proceeding cautiously, on the lookout for side-effects or anything unusual. I will certainly report anything out of the ordinary.

The numbers, already, Turkey!

OK, OK… who’s counting, already! Here you are with my progress for the week. Average blood glucose increased from 100 to 101, which still ain’t bad. Morning “dawn effect” readings averaged 101 as well. Weight dropped by one pound, which was due to a midweek lack of appetite caused by some bad heartburn. (On the whole, I blame my gigantic anniversary dinner transgression while Jenny focuses on the “smashed potatoes”). My blood pressure is trending nicely downward due to weight loss, averaging 125/71.

An encouraging sign is that this morning’s glucose reading was 89, the first sub-90 wake-up reading I can recall. Could be a coincidence, or it might be related to my having injected the first 5 mg dose of Mounjaro last night. So, let’s see where this 5 mg dose takes me. Thus far, I have experienced no noticeable side-effects. I’ll continue to report on my progress.

My Mounjaro Treatment Philosophy

I don’t want to be on Mounjaro for the rest of my life. It still amounts to injecting a foreign substance with many known and unknown side-effects into a well-aged body — a substantial risk for an old fart. No doubt, the big fooda/big pharma/big doctra/big governmenta conspiracy would love to view me as a guaranteed revenue stream, but I hope to avoid going down that rabbit hole. Thus, as I approach my goals, I intend to develop an exit plan.

That’s a tricky situation, because of the potential for reversing any positive accomplishments. I need some intelligent guidance (hint: it won’t come from social media) while I develop the plan. My doctor will be of limited value, because he is a member of the “prescribe, prescribe, prescribe” culture of this country’s current medical milieu. Like most modern docs, he is not comfortable with patient-driven care, and while I will accept input from him, I will make the decisions.

In the end, one way or another, I die. Between now and then, I will endeavor to do what is necessary to make life for me and those around me more enjoyable. One immense benefit of the Mounjaro, which seems to baffle my doctor but has been reported in studies, is a reduction in generalized inflammation. This could be a secondary effect, but it has been an obvious feature from the start of my therapy. It has enabled me to increase exercise, have more energy, and be less pissed off all the time. My pain levels are much lower now.

So, I will be gathering information from credible sources and working on the exit plan. I would like to be subjecting myself to the foreign intruder for no more than a total of fifteen to sixteen months, an arbitrary period based on what I think I can accomplish. Of course, at my age, shit happens, which will surely necessitate adjustments.

Mounjaro/Zepbound Shortages Lifted

Eli Lilly & Co. CEO David Ricks fired a shot across the bow of compounding pharmacies that dispense generic tirzepatide. Last Thursday in an interview with Bloomberg. Ricks declared that the shortages that enabled the compounders to legally sell the drug would soon be over. Once Mounjaro and Zepbound come off the FDA’s shortage list, US 503b compounding pharmacies can no longer legally sell the drug under the shortage exemption. They will have a sixty-day grace period to fill existing orders.

So sure enough, on Friday, the FDA shortage list reflected that both Mounjaro and Zepbound 10 mg and 15 mg doses, which previously had shown up as being in short supply, no longer had that designation.

This is the latest salvo from Lilly against those opportunists who are horning in on their territory. These operations exploit the massive, multi-billion-dollar weight-loss market for profit, benefiting from Lilly’s gigantic expenditure. Lilly invents a drug, ramps up manufacturing, develops a huge market through advertising, incurs huge development costs, and spends megabucks securing FDA approval, lobbying congressmen, and operating like big, bad, evil Big Pharma. Then, the vultures of telehealth operations and their compounding pharmacy partners swoop in to exploit the FDA loophole and as many desperate fat people as they can sign up.

Big Bad Pharma Wants to Protect Its Mounjaro Turf

I fully understand Eli Lilly wanting to protect its turf, and I have no problem with it. Meanwhile, vloggers are crying in their beer, which, by the way, some think they can drink while losing those twenty unwanted pounds. Their channels for cheap, compounded tirzepatide might be shut down soon. Then, my oh my, what will they do?

No legitimate doctor is going to prescribe a drug with potentially life-threatening adverse effects for cosmetic weight loss. (Along those lines, I recently saw one mid-twenties clown on TikTok saying how he was using compounded tirzepatide to get down to 155 lbs from 176; another on YouTube who I’ve mentioned in previous columns, was using it to reduce his body fat from 10% to 5%!). Well, boo-hoo! I hope Lilly succeeds in driving the cosmetic weight-loss industry back to herbal remedies, crash diets and other faddish pseudo-solutions.

The market fears that they and similar outfits might need to go back to concentrating on boner pills.

—TNT

Stock prices for Hims & Hers Health, Inc., one of the bigger suppliers of compounded tirzepatide along with generic Viagra with market cap of $3.78 billion, fell 16% in the wake of the Ricks interview. The market fears that they and similar outfits might need to go back to concentrating on boner pills. As of the publication time of this article, HIMS (NYSE) is trading about as low as $15.87, down from the August 1 high of $22.02, a 28% dive out the window.

Social Media Up in Arms

Social media wonks are outraged, displaying all the spoiled attributes of the entitlement society. Some of the more activist YouTubers exhibit signs of a messianic complex. Their self-appointed role as our savior impels them to think they can influence this multi-billion-dollar market by calling for a grass-roots effort to lobby the FDA and “prove” that shortages exist. But this is big-boy stuff, not influencer bullshit. They’re up against big pharma and big bucks. Will David take down Goliath? You answer that question.

And for meeker colleagues, their “journeys” and “adventures” are about to blow up, with predictable consequences. The wealthier ones will always be able to get their drug candy, so no effect there. The ones who are merely solvent and who have feathered their nest with YouTube revenues and referral fees from opportunistic telehealth providers will find either foreign or black-market channels for the fixes they seek. Then, they will tell their peers how to do it, further stoking their video revenue machine. They might get even more kickbacks that way, too. However, a few who are truly in need — and I don’t mean for cosmetic weight loss — will suffer, and I feel bad for them. I’m talking about those who are morbidly obese, with BMI northward of 40 and A1c to match.

Think of it this way. If we can shake the frivolous, cosmetic users out of the system, will there still be shortages? The unprecedented demand for the latest fad in weight loss magic bullets, GLP-1 agonists, is caused by a veritable plethora of relatively healthy yo-yo dieters hopping on the bandwagon of the latest fad. “But, but, dieting never worked for me!” Yeah, that’s the bullshit line. Think of it this way: For the $500 to $1,200 per month they are paying for a magical cure, they could have a gym membership, a personal trainer, and a regular appointment with a cognitive behavioral counselor. Moreover, they would have enough scratch left over for a healthy food budget. They could eat healthily while incurring no adverse drug effects.

But, noooooooooooo, they want magic.

Influencer, influence thyself!

What I hope will now dry up is the proliferation of YouTube vlogs proselytizing tirzepatide, especially the sponsored ones. I imagine that they’ll flail around for a while before the eventual shake-out. The worst are the ones offering dangerous advice on how to split doses, increase dosing frequency, and eat whatever you want. They’ll help you find a compounding pharmacy with a teledoc who will rubber-stamp your Mounjaro requisition, with referral fees flowing back to them. They’ll evaporate along with the compounded drugs they push. Finally, I sure as hell do not need any more middle-aged women man-splaining how these drugs work, middle-aged men with backward baseball caps calling me “you guys” while reporting the recycled incretin news of the day, or other so-called “influencers” attempting to advise me with anecdotal crap they heard from other influencers. Influence THIS!

Coming Soon: Over-the-Counter Mounjaro!

Over-the-counter Mounjaro is not so far-fetched! These drugs might well be offered over-the-counter in the future, because they are just about that freely distributed now. After all, you go to an integrated telehealth facility with a staff doc who doesn’t know you from Adam, you talk with a nurse or some other extender, and they give you your drugs — for a fee. Given our instant gratification society and our irresponsible lawmakers, coupled with the greed of big pharma and the conspiratorial complicity of a food industry that is poisoning us, why bother with perfunctory consultations and rubber-stamped prescriptions? Just drop the pretenses, cut out the middle-man and go OTC! Get your private-label CVS-branded Mounjaro today!

After all, how many states legalized recreational marijuana? How far are we from legalizing recreational Mounjaro? Follow the money.

That will do it for another fun weekly rant. Thanks for making this non-influencer feel that his words are being read. Whether you agree or disagree, about the novel weight-loss drug market, I hope I gave you some food for thought. I further hope that reports of my progress have offered encouragement to other Type 2 diabetics who seek solutions.

I’ll be back next week with more progress reports and more drivel.

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Mounjaro, Mounjaro. Rah rah rah!

Posted on July 29, 2024 Written by The Nittany Turkey

Welcome to this week’s discussion of Mounjaro, including tidbits from my personal experience with the therapy. I am now into my ninth week on Mounjaro for diabetes, with the secondary object of losing excess weight.

To reiterate my cynical allusion, I do not regard this serious therapy as a “journey”, or as some now are calling it, an “adventure”. Whoop de doo! This is a serious undertaking with an unknown endpoint. I’ll say a few words relating to my chosen title for this week’s column before I update you on my progress.

Many vlogs and blogs are cheerleaders for Mounjaro, Zepbound, Ozempic, Wegovy, or their generic equivalents. Some of them are paid for their promotional efforts while others just want to spread the word about something new and exciting. The latter category of town criers pops up every time a new, miracle cure for obesity emerges, be it diet, exercise, or drug. This speaks to the futility of prior efforts, which doesn’t portend well for their future performance on the latest and greatest. Lots of past “journeys” to temporary nirvana followed by a return to old habits, old pathology, and old tonnage, make them ripe targets for the latest “guaranteed” weight-loss product.

Oh, but this is different. Yeah, right!

Do Your Own Research

The jungle of misinformation should impel you to avert the cheerleaders and do your own research on Mounjaro. Reading medical research papers can be tedious, and one must be careful to understand who funds the studies they describe. However, they are much better sources of information than the filtered, crowd-sourced, anecdotal crap you will find on YouTube. Even better, you don’t need to watch some moody woman babbling about how she transgressed by eating some Doritos the other day in the course of a boring, poorly edited video production. These “influencers” are funding their drug purchases and in some cases earning a living through YouTube’s funding algorithm by developing large audiences where they can preach to the choir. YouTubers thrive on lazy people who want their pablum spoon-fed to them in palatable dollops.

Sure, I sound like a broken record, but I urge caution for good reason. Many of those YouTubers are pushing telehealth operations and compounding pharmacies, and some receive valuable consideration for doing so. Be cynical about such recommendations and be careful about whose comments you take seriously. Magical cures bring subscibers; healthy diet, exercise, and cognitive behavior training are dull topics in comparison. So, watch these non-doctors for entertainment, but remember to take their medical advice and counsel with a grain of salt.

It’s A Jungle Out There

Don’t listen to bullshit. Listen to your doctor — a REAL doctor with whom you have a face-to-face relationship and who has an interest in your long-term outcome, not some PA working for a weight-loss specific telehealth operation where you pay $99 per month for access to the compounded version of Mounjaro, which costs another $350 or so per month. These mills are capitalizing on the current craze. Be assured that a market shake-out somewhere down the road will eliminate the weaker competition.

Many desperate dieters are hopping on that telehealth/compounding train, so there’s plenty of money to be made and lots of greedy start-ups willing to capitalize on the trend under the guise of helping people through their “journey.” Once you express interest somewhere — anywhere — in losing weight, you’ll soon see glitzy adds pandering their services and their wares. Do you know anything at all about these companies? Or do you just take their word for their legitimacy, sign up, and send them your money? How long will their business be viable? Be smart! Do your research!

My Weekly Mounjaro Recap

Once again, please recall that after eight weeks I am still taking the loading dose of Mounjaro, which is 2.5 mg injected subcutaneously once per week. Based on flattening of my numbers, it might be appropriate to titrate upward to the minimum therapeutic dose of 5 mg. I will discuss that with my doctor this week taking many other factors into account.

All that having been said, my glucose was flat from the prior week, averaging about 102 mg/dL, as was morning fasting glucose at 106 mg/dL.My weight was down 1.4 lbs for the week, but I had gained one pound during the previous week. Thus, the net weight loss over two weeks was only 0.4 lbs.

I will offer an interesting observation in connection with appeitite. Jenny and I went to a local steakhouse for a wedding anniversary celebration dinner last night, which screwed with my numbers somewhat. The notable thing about that meal was the return of my appetite. I devoured a 14-ounce ribeye, which I would not have been able to do a couple of weeks ago. To me, this is a strong indication that my body is getting acclimated to Mounjaro and might need a boost in dosage to achieve consistent effects going forward.

One of the most appealing things about Mounjaro and other GLP-1 agonsists for the weight-loss crowd is the associated appetite suppression. Fat people tend to think about food all the time, to the extreme of thinking about what we’ll have for our next meal before finishing the one in front of us. So, the ability of a silver bullet drug to turn off that part of our brain is a big thing. YouTubers call this “food chatter” or “food noise”. Mounjaro puts the food chatter under the Cone of Silence.

Wrapping it Up and Putting a Mounjaro Bow on It

I don’t have a lot for you this week, but I want to reiterate that regardless of your chosen method, please do not try to do too much, too fast. Last week I mentioned a painful neuropathic condition arising from too rapid a drop in HbA1c. This subject is certainly an appropriate thing to discuss with your doctor.

I’ll wrap up this week by wishing you well in your metabolic progress and thanking you for taking the time to read this.

I’ll be back next week with more observations and opinions.

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